{"id":2707,"date":"2010-09-01T22:10:37","date_gmt":"2010-09-01T21:10:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.widmann.org.uk\/?p=2707"},"modified":"2010-09-01T22:10:37","modified_gmt":"2010-09-01T21:10:37","slug":"sapir-whorf-revisited","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/sapir-whorf-revisited\/","title":{"rendered":"Sapir-Whorf revisited"},"content":{"rendered":"<div style=\"float: left; margin-right: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;\">\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/idiolector\/2493964607\/\" title=\"photo sharing\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/farm4.static.flickr.com\/3199\/2493964607_7b0fced13e_m.jpg\" alt=\"\" style=\"border: solid 2px #000000;\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 0.9em; margin-top: 0px;\"><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/idiolector\/2493964607\/\">Hard to Say<\/a><br \/>\nOriginally uploaded by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/people\/idiolector\/\">Idiolector<\/a><br \/>\n<\/span>\n<\/div>\n<p>I once saw a painting by a Nordic artist that depicted the sun as a woman and the moon as a man.  In most Germanic languages that have masculine and feminine (including German and Nynorsk), &#8216;sun&#8217; is indeed feminine and &#8216;moon&#8217; is masculine.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, in Romance languages the situation is reversed, and &#8216;sun&#8217; is masculine and &#8216;moon&#8217; is feminine.<\/p>\n<p>So when I described the painting to a native Romance speaker, she was shocked.<\/p>\n<p>Ever since that episode, I&#8217;ve thought that you couldn&#8217;t fully discount the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sapir-Whorf_hypothesis\">Sapir-Whorf hypothesis<\/a>, even if that placed me in the minority among linguists (I even wrote an essay about <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Benjamin_Lee_Whorf\">Whorf<\/a> in my second year at uni).<\/p>\n<p>I therefore read this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2010\/08\/29\/magazine\/29language-t.html?_r=1&#038;src=me&#038;ref=homepage\">article in the New York Times<\/a> with great interest.  You always have to be extremely cautious about believing any piece of linguistics published in mainstream media, but I didn&#8217;t spot any obvious errors.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s good that it quickly shows why the simplistic versions of linguistic relativism cannot be true, and I wasn&#8217;t aware of the existence of <i>geographic languages<\/i>, but the description sounds fairly convincing.<\/p>\n<p>I guess I&#8217;d better get hold of a grammar of Guugu Yimithirr or Tzeltal to learn more!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hard to Say Originally uploaded by Idiolector I once saw a painting by a Nordic artist that depicted the sun as a woman and the moon as a man. In most Germanic languages that have masculine and feminine (including German and Nynorsk), &#8216;sun&#8217; is indeed feminine and &#8216;moon&#8217; is masculine. On the other hand, in Romance languages the situation is reversed, and &#8216;sun&#8217; is masculine and &#8216;moon&#8217; is feminine. So when I described the painting to a native Romance speaker, she was shocked. Ever since that episode, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[94,159,117],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2707","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture","category-en","category-linguistics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2707","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2707"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2707\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2707"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2707"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/widmanniana.org\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2707"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}